EDWARD SNOWDEN: Man of the Year

Michael Thomas
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December 16th, 2013
Updated 12/18/2013 at 6:02 am

Alternative News Media Would Confer
Highest Honor On Edward Snowden …
If It Had One

No one in modern history single-handedly altered the geo-political chessboard of the world so radically and quickly as did Edward Snowden. In short, the man is a GIANT. He is also a giant killer in the same exalted category as “David felling Goliath”, only Edward is MUCH bigger!

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Quite expectedly, the mainstream media (MSM) has ignored many of the most profound and fundamental changes that Snowden’s revelations have wrought in virtually every sphere of life around the globe. In truth the Snowden Revelations have forever changed the way the world operates. Everything from international diplomacy to global commerce, from national sovereignty protection to national internet management, from intergovernmental communication to United Nations protocols have been deeply affected for the better.  Of course, international relations have never been worse this millennium, but that’s part of the process.

Because of Edward’s extraordinarily courageous and self-sacrificing initiative to expose the NSA PRISM surveillance program, the world is now a much better place. His unusually brave actions were carried out at an age (in his late 20s) when most of his peers are much busier looking out for themselves than others, which make his sacrifice all the more exceptional.

How else can we say this: E D W A R D  J.  S N O W D E N is perhaps the greatest hero the planet has known throughout this New Millennium! There, we said it. Something that will never appear in or uttered by the MSM.

What Edward Snowden truly accomplished for the liberation of the human race will not be fully understood for years to come.

That’s because the numerous governments involved, their corporate collaborators and the mainstream media will make sure that the most consequential truths are never revealed. They have already been working overtime to squeeze off the pipeline of Snowden Revelations coming from the MSM outlets such as The Guardian.

What we have seen in the MSM are various statements issued by Presidents and Prime Ministers, Corporate CEOs and Foundation Chairs.  The vast majority of these pronouncements repeat the same sentiment:  NSA spying on the masses must be stopped; their routine and criminal invasion of privacy must cease post haste.

The other point of general agreement is that the state (aka the US Federal Government) has unlawfully arrogated power unto itself to illegally spy on the entire world.  This is the awesome legacy of the Snowden Revelations.  Yes, everyone to some degree has known that government snooping has been way out of control.  However, no one really knew the situation was so over the top … until Edward pushed the upload button.

Because of the global connectivity of the internet, entities like the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, DEA, etc. can acquire a warrant to tap internet, telephonic and other electronic communications in a heartbeat.  The courts that oversee this process are nothing but a rubber stamp on’law enforcement’ requests for clandestine surveillance that are oftentimes unjustifiably submitted.  The Snowden Revelations exposed this whole surreptitious process and procedure for its admitted lack of integrity.

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REAL whistleblowers are the bravest of the lot because of what they go up against, and what they knowingly sacrifice!

One of the reasons why truly great heroes like Snowden are never given their due is because the very system which created them doesn’t want to admit the truth.  The same system also created the term “whistleblower”, and then very begrudgingly allows for the whistleblower to receive their rightful praise and commendation.   Depending on the act of courage, the MSM even takes great pains to contextualize certain whistleblowers in a subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, pejorative context.  Everyone has heard the term snitch … or much worse — traitor!

This shading of the label “whistleblower” has done a terrible dis-service to the Edward Snowdens of the world.  By deliberately casting many of them in a less than positive light, future heroes are discouraged from stepping forward.  Not only are they not afforded the accolades that they richly deserve, they are sometimes made the victim of completely unwarranted persecution … or prosecution at worst.

Here are two perfect examples of the MSM carrying water for the NSA et al.

Snowden stole ‘keys to the kingdom’: NSA official – Yahoo News

Runner-Up: Edward Snowden The Dark Prophet | TIME.com

Let’s face it, the US Federal Government had the most to lose from the endless worldwide fallout let loose by the Snowden Revelations.  It also exerts the most control over international diplomacy, military assets, media, commerce, academia, scientific research, etc.  Therefore, these revelations pose a greater threat to US hegemony than any other similar act in recent history.  That’s because they revealed the primary mechanisms and MOs by which such NSA ‘oversight’ (sometimes known as ‘overheard) is implemented in every corner of the world.

Furthermore, the Snowden Revelations quite effectively laid bare the intelligence infrastructure of the Orwellian snooping superstructure which had been insidiously created over decades.  He was also very purposeful about acquiring just the right proof of impropriety where it concerned the usurpation of national sovereignty.  Nations such as Brazil, Germany, France, Spain, Mexico and India are angrier than ever at the gross violations of governmental privacy which have been systematically committed by the NSA.

Exactly what did Edward Snowden reveal for the benefit of his fellow countrymen, as well as his fellow residents of Planet Earth?

“Snowden’s release of NSA material was called the most significant leak in U.S. history by Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg. A series of exposés was published in June 2013 revealing Internet surveillance programs such as PRISMXKeyscore and Tempora, as well as the interception of US and European telephone metadata. The reports were based on disclosures Snowden leaked to The Guardianand The Washington Post while employed by NSA contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. By November 2013, the Guardian had published 1 percent of the documents, with “the worst yet to come”. ”
(Per Wikipedia — Edward Snowden)

Surely you just read that only 1% has been published and that the ”the worst yet to come”.  In view of how much of a tizzy the “Intelligence Establishment” has been thrown into, we’d say that they are in for a dizzying ride for the next few years, yes?!

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The primary publisher of the Snowden Revelations is The Guardian.  Therefore, the following link is a great place to begin digging through the info treasure trove that Edward Snowden has bequeathed to humankind.

NSA files decoded: Edward Snowden’s surveillance revelations explained | World news | theguardian.com

His quite awesome endeavor, according to Snowden himself, was put into motion for the sole purpose of informing the citizenry of the profound violation of the public trust which NSA spying had become as an ongoing enterprise.  Likewise, he felt it was his moral, legal and civic obligation to reveal the extent to which the social contract between citizen and government has been broken.  In his own words Edward Snowden has expressed his sole motive as follows:

“To inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them.”

In times past some of the recipients of TIME’s Man of the Year distinction were individuals who were not the best examples of what humanity might aspire to. However, the realm of alternative media has a completely different take on such a high profile and worldwide honor. Especially in the digital age is it necessary to applaud the actions of those who have sacrificed so much for the benefit of humanity; because of how far and wide such accolades are disseminated. The young minds and hearts are particularly impressionable, and so they ought to be indelibly imprinted with the ideals of true heroism.

Thank you, Edward Snowden, for your glowing example for decades to come ! ! !

Michael Thomas
December 16, 2013
admin@stateofthenation2012.com

Author’s Note:

It was just reported yesterday that NSA officials are considering offering asylum to Edward Snowden in return for his assurance that all materials taken from the NSA will be returned.  Such is their desperation to shut off the slow drip of top secret and highly classified information into the public domain via the internet.

NSA officials consider Edward Snowden amnesty in return for documents | The Guardian

How can this genie ever be put back into the bottle?  It cannot.  Nevertheless, the NSA feels compelled to negotiate a deal that gives them the ‘comfort’ of being promised that there will be no more extremely damaging leaks.  This leak will be dripping for a long time, no doubt.

References:

Federal judge rules NSA program is likely unconstitutional

NSA SPYING Triggers Greatest International Crisis Of New Millennium

NSA official: Europeans outraged over NSA spying, threaten action

Europe falls out of love with Obama over NSA spying claims

European Parliament Joins List Of Those Upset With The NSA

Germans wonder why it took Merkel so long to get angry over NSA spying

Edward Snowden awarded with German ‘whistleblower prize’

Germany and France warn NSA spying fallout jeopardises fight against terror

NSA snooping angers France; Obama forced to defend and reiterate pledge to review the programs

French Condemn Surveillance by N.S.A.

NSA spying row spreads in Europe, angry Spain summons US envoy

NSA Surveillance Angers Our Allies!

Mexico lashes out against report of U.S. spying

Mexico to summon U.S. ambassador over spying allegations

As Brazil’s fury over NSA mounts, U.S. vows to work through tensions

US admits spying ‘questionable’ to angry Brazil

Brazil’s Rousseff Trashes US Over NSA Spying

NSA Spying: Indian Gov’t Bans Employee use of Google as European Parliament Weighs Law Fining Firms that Cooperate

NSA spied on Indian embassy and UN mission, Edward Snowden files reveal

NSA angers Feinstein, one of its key allies in Congress

The NSA Strikes Again, Angers Google

Reports that NSA taps into Google and Yahoo data hubs infuriate tech giants

Furious Tech Giants Fight Back Against NSA Surveillance

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Michael Thomas is a contributing writer to Storyleak and Editor of the State of the Nation website, where he offers analysis on geopolitical events.

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  1. Kelly J. says:

    Edward Snowden is the K I N G of whistleblowers!

    There's never been one like him; there will never be another.

    What he did was just so big.

  2. WeeToddEdwards says:

    This guy deserves a medal

    • Roger says:

      He did run to our enemies.

      I have mixed feelings about him based on that.

      • Mr. Liberty says:

        I don't consider Russia our enemy anymore. Rivals yes, enemies no. That will only change if the US is the aggressor in its foreign policy.

        Russia has no desire to "destroy" America. Russia's experiment with communism did not go well at all and they know that, they have no intention of competing with the United States because they have wayyy too many problems to deal with in the homeland. Mark my words however, in no way am I saying their country is perfect. I don't really like Putin much either (always walking around flexing and acting macho, reminds me of the roid monkeys in my gym), but I don’t fear them. Heck who would have thought we would see the day where a Russian president out led and out maneuvered a US president so badly as Putin did with O over Syria.

        Snowden did not run to an American enemy. Our true enemies are the big banks and globalists, and that is exactly who Snowden is attacking, and they don’t like it one bit, which makes me very happy!!

        • Roger says:

          I would consider China a hostile force. Didn't he go to Hong Kong first?

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Yes, I would consider China hostile.

            Maybe not directly to the United States just because they need to keep the business relationship with us. No one buys as much of their crappy products as we do… I imagine but I am just speculating.

            The important thing is we all avoided a needless war because in part of Putin's actions. We also can thank the Liberty movement and news sources like Storyleak who exposed the false flag chemical attacks. It is because of media like this that Pentagon generals basically said F you to Obama.
            http://www.infowars.com/a-handful-of-constitution

          • Eyes_Open says:

            China is our biggest trading partner, how does that make them our enemy? If America truly considered China an enemy it wouldn't be selling most of our assets to it.

          • Roger says:

            Do you know the term 'red china' and what it refers to?

          • Eyes_Open says:

            Do you know it isn't referred to as red China anymore?

          • Roger says:

            And Taiwan isn't referred to as China as opposed to Communist China on the mainland.

            But that change is simply our bowing to communist power in the mainland China. Not because the government is any less oppressive.

      • Eyes_Open says:

        If he didn't, he would have been imprisoned or, more likely, killed. So what other choice did he have?

        • Roger says:

          He could have been another 'deep throat' the source that brought down Nixon.

          There are always choices.

          • Eyes_Open says:

            Surveillance and identification technology is much more sophisticated now, as Snowden is very aware, than they were in the Nixon years. He would have been caught in no time at all.

          • Roger says:

            Yes Snowden has information that they can't even determine at this point, so is able to evade the technology at will.

            He could have been not caught and still not been seeking asylum in our 'Rivals' as Mr. Lincoln puts it.

          • Eyes_Open says:

            And by going public with any of that information he would have been pinpointed, unless he was outside the reach or the American government, which would require going to a country without extradition agreements.

          • Roger says:

            Not any more than the source 'deep throat' did during the watergate investigation.

    • Dr M Kross says:

      He should be SHOT!!

  3. Randa says:

    God I love you Edward Snowden.

  4. Bob N. says:

    Only a very few will ever understand or appreciate the raw heroism that ES has demonstrated.
    His conscious sacrifices were so awesome … … … that now he's living in Russia for the rest of his life.

  5. It's people like you who make Republicans look like fundementalist and destroyed the party.
    thanks

  6. Mr.Lincoln says:

    Judge: NSA domestic phone data-mining unconstitutional By Bill Mears, CNN, Mon December 16, 2013
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/justice/nsa-surveil

  7. Such is their desperation to shut off the slow drip of top secret and highly classified information into the public domain via the internet.

  8. Mr.Lincoln says:

    NSA stores data to target any citizen at any time – Greenwald October 29, 2013 http://rt.com/news/greenwald-interview-nsa-data-9

    Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999 Government Spooks and Microsoft Inc. June 27, 2013 http://www.globalresearch.ca/spying-on-americans-

  9. Mr.Lincoln says:

    Obama’s half brother releasing book on father’s abuse Mark Obama Ndesandjo also recounts his sporadic but intense encounters with his brother over the years in “Cultures: My Odyssey of Self-Discovery.” THE ASSOCIATED PRESS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2013
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-br

  10. "Because of Edward’s extraordinarily courageous and self-sacrificing initiative to expose the NSA PRISM surveillance program, the world is now a much better place. His unusually brave actions were carried out at an age (in his late 20s) when most of his peers are much busier looking out for themselves than others, which make his sacrifice all the more exceptional."

    In a sea of 'selfies' there was a liberator named Snowden. Thank you sir.

  11. Roger says:

    Why do you blame Obama on me.

  12. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Because it's people like you who got him elected. It's people like you who make Republicans look like fundementalist and destroyed the party.

    That is why

  13. Roger says:

    Wee, you don't define me. You weren't in the polling booth and this deep desperate need you have to derail every thread… it's just not what this site is about.

    Snowden has support from a wide spectrum of Americans tired of this government being intrusive. And his drip/drip of leaks showing how intrusive has changed the dialogue.

    Why are you so cranky this morning, aren't you able to make your quota very easily?

  14. Eyes_Open says:

    Now, to be honest, it's the fundamentalist that took over the TEA party that are making the Republicans look like idiots, Roger may be one of them, but share the credit with the others. I'll never understand how they can stand with a straight face, talk about how religious they are and how they want the country to follow in the teachings of Christ, and in the next breath tell you that you should oppose social reform and socialized medicine. Christ was all about helping the poor at the expense of the rich, the TEA party has become all about helping themselves at the cost of everyone else.

  15. Roger says:

    And what does all your planning do to keep any child safe?

    Are you involved in school security or do you just enjoy thinking about violence?

  16. Roger says:

    Do you think the founding fathers had atheistic views?

    When you call people of faith idiots you splatter the same name calling on our founding fathers as well.

  17. Mr. Liberty says:

    Wee that is not a fair assessment. I hope you are talking about CINOs (Christians in name only). There are plenty of Christian people that have helped shape this country for the better.

    What bothers me most is that people who do not believe expect people of faith to be perfect, if they aren’t 100% good than they are not a Christian or their faith is invalid. We are all human, we all make mistakes. That being said I do agree with the separation of church and state, our founding fathers founded this country on Christian principals but also realized the dangers of allowing religion in government.

    I also agree with you Wee that there are people out there who use their “Christian” identity to identify with voters and that is total BS. We have to watch out for people like that, do what Jesus suggested: Judge a tree by the fruit it bears.

  18. WeeToddEdwards says:

    IMO most so called chirstians are CINO's. Take roger for example. He judges people, attacks them, and basically makes all christians look bad.

  19. Roger says:

    Some don't support an oppressive government.

    And in that one issue I support and agree with Snowdon.

  20. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    It's not only the government, the corporations do the same thing, and give all their info to the government, as well.

  21. Eyes_Open says:

    The majority of the founding fathers were Deist, not Christians. And the TEA party isn't made up of deist, at least not anymore.

  22. Roger says:

    You can go to the competition if you don't like a corporation. You can sue a corporation.

    And corporations don't like an oppressive government either.
    http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/16/obama-to-mee

  23. Mr.Lincoln says:

    This is what most of the states claim which according to the tenth amendment trumps all of the Central Planners!

    The Preambles Of All 50 States Of The United States
    http://rense.com/general72/preamb.htm

    Alabama 1901, Preamble We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..

    Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

    Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…

    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C. S. Lewis

  24. Roger says:

    All Christians are Deists. They believe in the God of Judeo/Christian scriptures.

    Not all Deists are members of Christian churches. At the time of the founding Deists simply rejected any organized church. But they still had chaplains, said prayers to open meetings and congressional sessions and believed in the Creator mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

    I realize as a person who advocates and supports Wicca you don't have those beliefs, but why deny that the founding fathers believed as they did?

  25. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    All the corporations are collecting information. And they all give money to the governemnt.

    Get out of your bs bubble.

  26. Eyes_Open says:

    The Founding Fathers didn't write the preambles for the states, try to stay on topic, straw man argument will get you no where.

    The Founding Fathers also wrote the Treaty of Tripoli, which states unequivocally that the Unites States of America is NOT a Christian nation, or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation, but a secular nation that welcomes people of all religions, and people of no religion. And that we will wage no war in the name of any religion or against any religious group except in the instance of self defense.

    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
    – Stephen Roberts

    "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."
    –Ferdinand Magellan

    "Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies." – Thomas Jefferson

    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." – Thomas Jefferson

    "In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." – James Madison

    " The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." – John Adams

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." – Benjamin Franklin

    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." – Susan B. Anthony

    Quotes are easy to find, and as you can see, even Susan B. Anthony wasn't a devoted follower of the invisible man.

  27. Eyes_Open says:

    I don't deny their beliefs, but as you can see in the quotes I posted above, in reply to ML, many of the Founding Fathers rejected more than just the organized church, they rejected Christianity as a whole. While still believing in a 'supreme' being, they didn't believe that it was the god of Christian belief, or even that this being had any effect or interest in our lives. Then to the extreme was Thomas Paine a a few others that were outspoken atheist. Herbal medicine was regularly practiced by the wives of these men, which was considered anti-Christian, if not all out witch craft.

  28. Ricky Michael says:

    You could not have done a finer job than this comment right here, proving my contention about you, that you are more atheist than pagan. I can now announce that you have come out of the closet with this one.

  29. Eyes_Open says:

    LOL, now your just being funny. How does showing quotes from the founding fathers, showing their beliefs, make me an atheist? just because I'm willing to recognize what others believe doesn't mean that I agree with their beliefs. Or is it just because I can show that the founding fathers weren't following your beliefs that you assume that I and everyone else that doesn't agree with you must have no beliefs whatsoever.

    News flash, a person can acknowledge and respect others beliefs without believing in them, themselves. Proving that Spain is on the Iberian Peninsula doesn't make me Spanish.

  30. Ricky Michael says:

    Because you wield the atheist mantra every chance you get. This was a "Gud Un" too.

  31. Eyes_Open says:

    Nah, you're just butt hurt because I won't stick up for your religion after Christians spent the last 1700 years trying to kill and destroy everyone that didn't believe the way Christian authorities demanded them to. You've become overly emotional at the failure of your religion to wipe out all other religions in the world through genocide and misinformation. It seems to be bothering you that my religion has been around more than 10 thousand years before your cult even came into existence. Or is it the fact that every religious holiday that you celebrate can be traced directly back to the original holiday that my people celebrated before your religion existed? You can't even come up with your own days of worship without looking to my people for inspiration.

    Nice try, but your 'logic' is as feeble as your religion, friend.

  32. Ricky Michael says:

    If my religion was like what you claim, then both you and WTE would be in extreme danger from me, the zealot that I am. However, it is not and you are not.

  33. Eyes_Open says:

    As we all know, the Christians were regularly killing non-Christians in this country, openly and without remorse, until the justice system became well enough established to start arresting the murderers and putting them to death for their actions. It's the law, not religious beliefs, that stopped Christians from killing people of other beliefs. As proof, it's still going on in parts of the world where laws and policing are less widespread than they are in the United States. Many African nations have priest that regularly kill people "in the name of Christ", believing that your religion gives them the right to do so. Whether or not this is really what Christ intended or would have wanted isn't the debate, it is fact that followers of the faith are doing these things in his name, regardless, and have since shortly after the time when he supposedly died. ( I only say supposedly because all the date from his life are suspect, from birth till death)

  34. Ricky Michael says:

    How in the heck did you get this far off topic?

    All this has been hashed, rehashed and then beaten to death over and over and over again.

    As much as I hate to admit it, Snowden did us all a favor. That is what the article was about. I read it.

  35. WeeToddEdwards says:

    christians love to kill as much as musliums

  36. Roger says:

    I read your quotes. They didn't deny that the God of the Bible was real, they denied that organized churches were the proper way to find him.

    Your quotes don't prove otherwise. http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.htm

    Try to explain away that by lame quotes by unknown people you pretend were important in setting religious policy as the country was founded.

  37. Roger says:

    And if you don't like a corporation you can not do business with them. If you don't like who they donate money to, you can keep your money and not spend it there.

    Is that the best you can come up with?

  38. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    The corporations own so much of the supply that they will be able to continue without fear.

    There will never be a mass boycott of their products because they use slave labor to lower the prices for the low wage labor in the U.S.

    And I don't see any conservatives complaining about them collecting all our personal information, so they will stay with the corporations.

    I guess they like it when corporations do the same thing the governmrnt is doing.

    at least we can vote for our governemnt have have control.

  39. Wee Roger says:

    All Internet Service Providers share what should be private subscriber information with the feds. Do us a favor and boycott all of them.

  40. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    Ha ha.

  41. Roger says:

    But not with money from people who are against their business model.

    And people boycott corporations all the time. Ask JCPenney how popular their stores are lately.

  42. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    But there aren't enough people that even care that corporations are doing the same thing and worse than the government.

    So they will continue.

  43. Roger says:

    Speak for yourself. People can walk with their feet.

    How many airlines are left after they provided bad service for years?

  44. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    I'm talking about all the conservatives that think this issue can hurt Obama, or help them in the next election. Even though they wrote the law.

    Corporations will always own the airlines.

    Corporations will continue to gather and watch our information without conservatives walking away from them, and in fact ignoring what they do altogether.

  45. Eyes_Open says:

    How did we get this far off topic? Well, just look up the thread to figure that one out. WTE commented on how the republicans were looking like idiots because of the fundamentalist and I corrected him, that the fundamentalist idiots were the one that took control of the TEA party, not the entire Republican party. Which prompted Roger to claim that the founding fathers were basically all good Christians, which we know isn't the case. And it just snowballed from there as it always does when people want to believe that everyone that has ever done anything good MUST have the same beliefs as them, regardless of the facts to the contrary.

  46. Eyes_Open says:

    "lame quotes by unknown people"

    Wow, so you don't know who Ferdinand Magellan, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, or Susan B. Anthony are? Maybe you should study a little more history before you try to debate historical facts with the adults.

    As far as the prayer, they have also had Hindu prayers and Wiccan prayers and Atheist 'speeches' to open congress, does that mean that all of congress was Hindu that day or Wiccan that day or Atheist that day?

  47. Mr. Liberty says:

    I see your point Wee, but we all need to take a page out of MLK’s playbook. Judge people by the moral and content of their character, not by if they are a Christian or a Muslim or black/white. Just because Roger is an A-hole does not mean other Christians are. Lets look at people on a case by case basis. It’s very hard to do, I find myself judging people all the time, but I think as a country we need to get over the judging one another in order to fix our real issues.

    Just because I hate Barry Sorrento and think he is a bad guy doesn’t mean that I hate all black people and think they are bad. For example.

  48. Mr. Liberty says:

    Although very funny Alinsky, there is no point in reposting 1,000 times or brining up Roger's private life. All you are going to do is unleash more Intense debates and masturbation lol

  49. Roger says:

    So, you dragged it off topic based on another troll comment and blame it on me.

    Snowden did a good deed, but in a way I can't support. Our enemies/rivals didn't need an excuse to get their hands on him.

  50. Ricky Michael says:

    My question was Rhetorical, I am aware even without looking of what started the bru-haha again. It is the same as always.

  51. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Thank you for the correction Mr. Eyes

  52. Roger says:

    But as always you drag this off topic and do so in a way you can try to blame this on me again.

    The founding fathers didn't have all those other prayers. They had ones pointing to the Creator. I am not claiming they were perfect Christians. But I am saying that you are misrepresenting what Deism was at that time period and using that flawed analysis to once more smear Christianity as an atheist pagan.

  53. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Wow he thinks Ferdinand Magellan, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, or Susan B. Anthony, are unknown

    Just goes to show he has an anti-American agenda

  54. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Merry Christmas Mr. Eyes

  55. Roger says:

    And while you talk like that, you're still not making sense.

    This isn't all about obama. This is about the country, the people and how they suffer under tyranny. Snowdon blew the whistle on this one.

    Corporations, they can't force you into anything. Ask GM about that one.

  56. wee roger says:

    Herp derp. If you don't want to be derailed by a troll, which Wee clearly is, then don't chase him around and respond to his every comment. The fact is, there isn't a single person in this thread (including me) who isn't a troll.

    And by the way, you are precisely the sort of person that drove me away from the Republican party. Nitwit.

  57. Eyes_Open says:

    You can't handle the truth, so you create your own version of reality and hope no one questions it. ROFLMAO.

  58. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    Conservatives are pretending to care about tyranny, but they are full of crap, because corporations are doing the same thing and conservativesignore it and even protect them.

  59. Roger says:

    You may think trolling is normal.
    But some people come to discuss and debate important issues.

    So, speak for yourself.
    And you were never exactly what most of us would consider 'prime' republican material.

  60. Roger says:

    Was that even supposed to make sense? Or was it another one of these comments?

    "Keep talking Rog, I'm asking wee where you live. Lincoln? I want to tie you up into small knots and make your appendages perform feats that your false god never intended."

    Can't you even pretend to be here for the stories?

  61. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    I see thatbsince i beat you in debate, you have moved to just talking nonscence.

    Conservatives let corporations get away with the very things they condemn government for.

    You are all jokes and fools, and phoneys.

  62. Roger says:

    You go ahead and laugh.
    But the truth is that the deist founders had chaplains and mentioned the creator in the DOC.

    If you can't handle it, I'm not the one that creates their own version of events.

  63. Roger says:

    You haven't beat anything at any debate. You don't know how to debate. GM failing, Continental Airlines going bankrupt, the CEO of JCPenney getting replaced, all show that coporations can and do fail when they ignore the wants and wishes of their customers.

    You haven't really debated that issue, you simply give your opinion and then pretend you have won somehow. It doesn't wash.

    And corporations are held accountable, Enron is a great example of that. If Obama tried his tricks as a CEO he would be facing a grand jury.

  64. wee roger says:

    Yes, I'm no longer prime material for the current state of the party – not wealthy enough to pull the strings and not nitwit enough to be their dupe. Unfortunately for the former, there are only so many of the latter types such as yourself around. Nitwit.

  65. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    But they are not failing because conservatives are angry with corporations collecting our data and tracking us.

    And they never will because conservatives don't care. they only make an issue about the government NSA because they think it will hurt Obama.

    conservatives have no real values. They wrote the law they are complaining about now.

    You lost this debate. Try to reframe the argument, and just don't know how to make a proper argument.

    Simple.

  66. Roger says:

    Why do you get to decide my sticking to the point is reframing and not allowed?

    You just can't keep up. That's all.

  67. Roger says:

    Wealth has nothing to do in a party that was founded on idealistic thinking.

    Abolition of slavery then. Now the tea party wants constitutional ideals restored. And you come here with knee jerk idiocy? You are not prime material for it, regardless of your checking account balance.

  68. Roger says:

    Yes, and I have hundreds of times over the last three years.

    Can't you show the Creator mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or the chaplains praying that they appointed were speaking to any other God.

    Wee, your talking points have been debunked over and over.

  69. Roger says:

    Poor little wee. You just do it over and over. It's why you are here after all.

    Never about the story, always about your hate filled bigoted agenda against Christians.

  70. Roger says:

    History doesn't show that.

    How many car bombs went off to satisfy the Christian love of violence yesterday? I can show all sorts of islamist violence happened.

    Go for it. Show that Christians are currently committing violence to satisfy the teachings of Christ and I'll show what religion of today is actually doing the violence to follow their religion. Hint?

    9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

  71. WeeToddEdwards says:

    How many babies were slaughtered in Africa by your brothers yesterday for being witches and yes history does show christians are violent: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/b

  72. Roger says:

    I think that my reply to him deals with that. And that you are just floundering along like the little man you are trying to pretend your agenda has facts behind it.

    It just shows that you ignore things you don't like. And you haven't shown that any of the founding fathers (Ferdinand Magellan wasn't one of them by the way) were against Chaplains or the Creator as they understood Him.

  73. WeeToddEdwards says:

    You see roger when I am wrong and someone corrects me I tell them Thank you. It's called manners something you were never taught.

    Can you show how your comment has anything to do with teh story?

    For someone who cries all day about people being off topic, you sure do make a lot of off topic weak insults and comments. You're a hypocrite

  74. WeeToddEdwards says:

    I see "creator" but don't see christian god.

  75. WeeToddEdwards says:

    You called some of our Founding Fathers "unknown people with lame comments"

  76. Roger says:

    My manners perclude a lot of things.

    One of them is lying constantly as you do about Christianity.

    My comment explains why you, a small little man, keep tossing out things that my religion is against and then trying to smear it's followers with it.

    For someone crying all day long, you once again proved you were here to attack and not discuss the story.

    You are the hypocrite. But then you have an agenda so you don't care.

  77. WeeToddEdwards says:

    I don't lie about your religion and back up what I say about facts.

    Glad you admit you are a liar though. It's about time you told teh truth for once.

    Can you show in your comment how it addresses the story?

  78. Roger says:

    How many times did they do that due to the teachings of Christ? And how many times have they been supported by other Christians in what they're doing?

    And how many islamists did violence yesterday to follow exactly what mohammed taught?
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/12/

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

  79. Roger says:

    Yes but everyone else does.

    That's why your agenda keeps you from growing and learning as a person.

    They were from a Christian kingdom where the king was the head of the church. Any creator was understood to come from that culture.

    You poor little man.

  80. WeeToddEdwards says:

    How many times? Everytime, that is why they are doing it retard.
    They are supported by christians all over Africa. Why do you think it's happening? Because teh christian support for it, otherwise they would be in jail retard.

  81. WeeToddEdwards says:

    The christian god is not mentioned in the DOC.

  82. Roger says:

    Yes, you do lie.

    And no you never back it up with facts. Wee, you small little man. sitting at your work terminal day after day struggling to make a quota of comments. It's sad to watch and irritating to listen to.

    You just can't come and discuss the story, you can't even pretend to.

    And you haven't shown a thing about the teachings of Christ that support the lies you tell.

  83. Roger says:

    Go back and read my comments. You small little man, don't you realize your agenda limits you ability to deal with facts?

  84. Roger says:

    Yes, actually He was. And He was the source listed as where our rights come from.

    Wee, you small little man. Your agenda really does limit you.

  85. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Show me where it says christian god in the DOC then

  86. Roger says:

    Wee, you just can't keep up. You poor little thing you.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declara

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…"

    Wee you realize that these were Englishman from a Country that was a Christian kingdom with the King as head of the church. That was the only Creator anyone recognized, even if they were deists and didn't want to join any established religion.

    Your agenda limits you.

  87. Roger says:

    No, you keep saying that but it isn't true.

    Prove that Christ taught what they are doing. Either prove it or just admit you're a hate filled bigot that follows a muslim friendly agenda.

  88. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Kill Witches. You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB).

    christ and god are the same thing.

    I just proved it and nothing you say will change that

  89. WeeToddEdwards says:

    "Try to explain away that by lame quotes by unknown people you pretend were important in setting religious policy as the country was founded"

  90. WeeToddEdwards says:

    So you can't show the christian god is mentioned in the DOC. They mention creator which leaves the door open.
    Check mate

  91. Roger says:

    Ah, the ancient Jewish teachings that even the Jews don't follow. You do that all the time and I correct you all the time.

    Jesus said the Law stands, the ten commandments They teach not to murder.

    See, you were simply ill informed and ignorant and showing it.

  92. Roger says:

    Wee, I discussed this already. Go back and read the thread. Why can't you even pretend to actually debate anything?

  93. Roger says:

    Wee, you small little man.

    I just did.
    Your agenda limits you.

  94. wee roger says:

    I capitulate. God's blessings upon you and yours this season.

  95. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Where does it say christian god?

  96. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Accordong to the bible you are still suppose to follow them. Are you gonna have this comment pulled too you little cry baby?

  97. Roger says:

    Read my comment, then try again.

  98. WeeToddEdwards says:

    You have failed to show where they mention the christian godYou have failed to show where t

  99. Roger says:

    According to Christ the law is summed up in two parts. Love God with all my heart and my neighbor as myself.

    The ten commandments are very easy to follow when viewed through the teachings of Christ.

    You don't understand or want to understand my religion well enough to comment so that it makes sense.

    Wee, I understand with your muslim friendly / pretended atheistic views you don't agree.

    But your attacks are lame. On more than one level.

  100. Roger says:

    Wee, they cam efrom a Chiristian kingdom, even while not liking their churches admitted to teh Creator bein ght esource of rights. You want to pretend it was some other creator? What other creator? You are ust a lame troll here because you have a muslim friendly agenda. You can't fool anyone.According to Christ the law is summed up in two parts. Love God with all my heart and my neighbor as myself.

  101. WeeToddEdwards says:

    You have not shown they mention the christian god in the DOC.

  102. Roger says:

    Yes, I did. You have not shown it was any other creator.

    Trololing is just beyond you, isn't it?

  103. WeeToddEdwards says:

    You failed to show it. YOu're done

  104. WeeToddEdwards says:

    No one can show which creator they were talking about retard. No one can show which creator they were t

  105. Ricky Michael says:

    Happy Holidays Mr Edwards.

    Best wishes for the kids too.

  106. Roger says:

    Yes, I did. Just lying about it only shows you have nothing to back up your muslim friendly agenda.

  107. Roger says:

    How nice that you pretend civility.

    Too bad you can't pretend to be here for debating the story.

  108. WeeToddEdwards says:

    Go to h ell

  109. Roger says:

    Wee, just because you don't want the Creator from men in a Christian kingdom to be aboutr the Christian Creator doesn't mean you get to decide it's not Him.

  110. Roger says:

    Wee, remember as an atheist you don't believe in that place.

    So, once more your muslim friendly tempter exposes you.

  111. WeeRodSmegwards says:

    I know someone who can expect some lumps of coal this Christmas.

  112. Roger says:

    You keep claiming all sorts of things. You can redefine your topic, but the thread stands on it's own merits. Readers can decide if you're just a smarmy marxist wiggling all over to make a flawed point or not.

    And Rick Wagoneer is still not CEO of a failed GM due to anything other than free market pressure.

  113. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    No. you removed my comments that proved you wrong.

    I proved that the free market does not work because conservative ignore them collecting our data.

    simple.

    I win.

  114. Roger says:

    You could always start by posting comments that debate and discuss the story.

    Then they might deserve space on this forum.

    Then you might win, or at least not finish last.

  115. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    I don't see denying that this is you. And you won't.

    Talk to your buddies at Breitbart.com how anonymous I am.

  116. Roger says:

    So, are you advocating for the existence of the historical Saint Nick?

  117. Alinsky Hero USA says:

    But that conservative idealism is based on class warfare, using slave labor, and laughing at poor people like you that support them getting richer as if you had a chance to be wealthy like them.

  118. Roger says:

    I hope Santa doesn't prefer women over men, or they might fire him too.

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