Dead Zones Throughout The Gulf Of Mexico, BP Never Cleaned Up 2010 Oil Spill

Michael Thomas
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July 26th, 2014
Updated 07/30/2014 at 2:28 pm

Pathogenic Micro-organisms Proliferate Due
To Polluted And Poisoned GOM ‘Bioterrain’

by Gulf Oil Spill Remediation Cyber-Conference

There have been several significant developments over the past few decades in the Gulf of Mexico (GOM) which now require special and immediate attention.  The multitude of oil spills — both large and small — require extraordinary remediation measures, as well as the application of safe and proven technologies which will not make the existing hydrocarbon pollution worse. There are other major sources of water pollution in the GOM which have also became apparent, particularly since the eye-opening 2010 BP oil spill.

The Gulf of Mexico is Dying: A Special Report On The BP Gulf Oil Spill

The BP Gulf Oil Spill drew the world’s attention to the GOM for a variety of reasons. The sheer volume of oil spilt was unprecedented, as were its profound and lasting effects on a large geographic area.  Because it occurred in such a large body of water, many population centers were adversely impacted as they continue to be up to this very day.  However, it was the incompetent and negligent oil spill response from BP that received the justified scrutiny of the entire world.

Some have since advanced the notion that global oil spill response has been forever changed for the better, because of how profoundly BP mismanaged the spill for all to see. In this regard, they speak of a literal sea change regarding the methodologies and modalities, process and procedure, science and technology that are now accepted by many of the nations of the world.

The entire world watched in horror as millions of gallons of the dispersant Corexit were used to ‘disappear’ the gushing oil in the Macondo Prospect throughout 2010 and beyond.  Disappearing the oil actually meant sinking it, after micronizing it, so that both BP and  the US Federal Government could be ‘applauded’ for a successful response.  However, the known health risks/dangers and environmental damage caused by Corexit became so well publicized that it has now been banned in those countries which have learned from the BP fiasco.  The following article provides more details in this regard.

Dispersant Use Like Corexit Sees Precipitous Decline Worldwide

The single revelation about the ramped up toxicity of Corexit-treated oil served to awaken many stakeholders about the safety of dispersant use in our coastal waters. More importantly, this issue also triggered a variety of concerns about the overall condition of the Gulf of Mexico.  Residents along the GOM coast, business owners, annual vacationers, property owners and the like began to research and discover the true state of the Gulf.

It was through a confluence of many disparate circumstances during the gushing, “ginormous”  oil volcano which brought to light the following critical observations about the overall status of the Gulf of Mexico. These various perceptions and insights, when considered in the aggregate and within a much larger context, have allowed to surface an assessment of the GOM which can no longer be denied or ignored. 

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What are the major factors contributing to the unrelenting degradation of the Gulf of Mexico?

We need to look no further than the mouth of mighty Mississippi River to assess some of the most obvious causes of the relentless destruction of the GOM. If one just considers what the Mississippi River dumps into the GOM on a daily basis, it is easier to grasp the enormity of the problems confronting every stakeholder. The most obvious types of pollution entering the GOM are conveyed in vast amounts from various sources throughout the American heartland. Countless kinds of harmful contaminants and toxic chemicals find their way into the Gulf via the Mississippi which comes from many different sources.

This mighty river and it’s many tributaries carry a tremendous chemical burden in the form of industrial waste, as well as rain runoff laden with every chemical imaginable from suburbia and cityscapes alike.  Agribusiness has seen to it that enormous amounts of chemical fertilizers and soil fortifiers, pesticides and insecticides, mosquitocides and larvicides, fungicides and herbicides, weedkillers and defoliants, bovine growth hormone and animal antibiotics end up in the Mississippi. Likewise, a whole assortment of pharmaceutical drugs, over-the-counter medications, nutraceutical products, as well as all the chemical compounds utilized in the typical American household eventually find their way into the sewers of the nation’s midsection.

When you add the untold volumes of leaked oil and gas into the mix in the undersea Mississippi Canyon by way of manmade oil spills, natural leaks and seeps, drilling mud and other highly toxic chemicals used by the Oil & Gas Industry, methane burps, undersea mud volcanoes, and the increasing vaporization of methane hydrates, an alarming picture starts to take shape.

Oil & Gas Industry Produces Humongous Amounts Of Pollution In The GOM 

Just as each human body possesses its own very unique environmental profile, so, too, does the Gulf of Mexico.  From the preceding description of what the Gulf of Mexico is routinely exposed to, it is now incontestable that, as a body of water, the GOM cannot avoid being extremely polluted and only getting worse by the year.  In addition to what the Mississippi incessantly dumps into the GOM, Oil & Gas Industry operations are responsible for enormous amounts of pollution.

If the BP Gulf Oil Spill taught us nothing else, it is that oil and gas drilling operations conducted in the GOM 24/7 produce an extraordinary number of predicaments in which severe pollution is produced, and then dispersed to the four corners of the Gulf.  Not only is the actual process of drilling a very dirty one, the subsequent transport, refinement and utilization of the oil and gas creates myriad opportunities for pollutants, toxins, contaminants, poisons and chemicals to further pollute the GOM.

Environmental and Health Impacts of the BP Gulf Oil Spill

However, this is just one component of the ever-worsening condition of the GOM.  The incessant utilization of drilling mud (also known as drilling fluids) has greatly contributed to the current state of degradation of the entire Gulf Of Mexico.  The traditional drilling locations off the coast of Louisiana and Texas are by far the most polluted and perhaps irremediable.  However, even the coastlines of Florida are vulnerable to the migration of hydrocarbon affluent and drilling fluids.

The components of drilling mud are much less about mud, and more about other highly corrosive and toxic chemicals which are necessary to do a very difficult job.  During any drilling operation in the GOM where copious amounts of drilling mud are utilized, there is effectively no way of containing it or disposing it once it is released.  Hence, the GOM seafloor and sub-seafloor geological formations have been exposed to constant injections of drilling mud since use first began decades ago.

The following link entitled “Drilling fluids and health risk management” contains a 9 page list of components found in drilling fluids in Appendix 8 under the title:
“Detailed health hazard information on drilling fluid components”

A close reading of this material reveals an extraordinary number of highly toxic pollutants which can eventually find there way into the water columns, the wetlands, the estuaries, and onto the beaches, etc.

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Decades of  High Intensity Oil Drilling Operations Have Created A Toxic GOM Environment

The sheer number of oil wells drilled throughout the GOM since the early 1930s is quite staggering.  Each of those wells is either active or inactive.  With each well that is drilled, there are opportunities for hydrocarbon effluent to escape into the GOM.  After wells are capped there are also many situations that can, and do, develop whereby a bad well can allow for a steady leak of hydrocarbon effluent into the GOM.

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The BP Gulf Oil Spill demonstrated how a blown well can present a predicament that simply cannot be fixed (See preceding diagram).  Depending on just how large an oil reserve has been drilled into, hydrocarbon effluent can leak into the Gulf of Mexico into perpetuity.  There is also the ever-present risk associated with all capped wells leaking.  These are also subjected to undersea earthquakes and other seismic activity, undersea volcanoes and mud volcanoes, as well as hydrothermal vents and other fissures which can open up anywhere at any time.

The preceding discussion provides only a glimpse into some of the various co-factors which are responsible for contributing considerable amounts of pollution to the total toxic load borne by the Gulf of Mexico every day … of every week … of every year … over many decades.  Because of the inordinate political pressures operating at the federal level to make the USA completely energy independent, the push to “drill, drill and drill more” has only increased.

U.S. Agrees to Allow BP Back Into Gulf Waters to Seek Oil – NYTimes.com

Event the Atlantic Seaboard is being opened to oil and gas exploration so powerful is the Oil & Gas Industry lobby in DC.

Obama opens Eastern Seaboard to oil exploration – US News

What’s it all mean?

It means many things to those who live, work and play along the GOM coastline.  Because of the speed of deterioration of the environmental profile of the Gulf, fishing in the waters, swimming in the bayous, sunning on the beaches is no longer what it used to be.  The proliferation of pollution via so many vectors of dissemination has increased the concentration of dangerous chemicals and other toxins so much that the GOM must be looked at through different lens, henceforth.

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The State Of The Bioterrain Always Dictates The Most Likely Outcomes

In virtually every article that has been published in the mainstream media over the past decade about the many deaths and serious illnesses that have been directly linked to the GOM, there is often a qualification about the individual who died or who became seriously ill or diseased. Deliberate reference is made to the strength (or lack thereof) of the immune systems of those who passed or took ill.  This leaves the reader with the false impression that only those with weakened immune systems are vulnerable to pathogenic micro-organisms like Vibrio vulnificus.

While it’s true that a fisherman who is immuno-compromised is more susceptible to serious infection should he enter the waters with open wounds, it is also true that any individual with open wounds or sores can be easily infected by Vibrio.  Because the concentrations of various chemicals and contaminants in various regions of the GOM is at an all time high, the human body is only so equipped to efficiently process them.  Therefore, the bioterrain of any person will be affected, no matter how strong their constitution is.  Or, how clean their bioterrain is.  Or, how efficiently their immune system is functioning.

What is being proposed here is that the more resonance that occurs between the human body and the GOM body of water during swimming, fishing, snorkeling, and boating activities, the greater the likelihood of adverse health consequences.  For those oyster fisherman, who also eat raw oysters, the risks increase exponentially.  Especially those whose bioterrains have been degraded through an unhealthy lifestyle, there will be more and more serious medical repercussions from imprudent and/or ill-advised activity in the GOM.

Mississippi fisherman loses arm to Vibrio flesh-eating bacteria in the Gulf of Mexico

Mississippi fisherman loses arm to Vibrio flesh-eating bacteria in the Gulf of Mexico

Soaring Vibrio Vulnificus Infections Reveal The Degree Of Resonance Between The GOM Body Of Water And The Human Body

The spate of articles over the past few years regarding the flesh-eating bacteria incidents coming out of the GOM clearly indicate an evolving predicament which no one in government — federal, state, or local — or from industry, want to address in any meaningful way.  When people are regularly getting sick — VERY SICK — to the point of dying from Vibrio vulnificus infections, it does not reflect well on the various branches of government which are responsible for ensuring public safety and addressing serious public health concerns.

Flesh-eating Vibrio bacteria at seasonal peak in South Mississippi waters

Likewise, the many businesses and industries which rely on the GOM are no longer inclined to trumpet serious health alerts, such as the rising incidence of Vibrio infections. Simply put, it’s bad for business.  Whether you’re a fisherman or boat manufacturer,  hotel owner or tour boat operator, a sick Gulf of Mexico does not look good on the front pages of the newspapers.  This is especially true in the middle of the intractable recession that the Southeast economy has been stuck in since 2008.

The same is true for the homeowners and commercial property developers, particularly the wealthy, whose mansions dot the coastline from the Florida Keys to the southeastern coastline of Texas.  They simply don’t want to hear that there are tar balls washing up on their secluded beaches, especially when those tar balls contain high numbers of Vibrio vulnificus.  Or, that red tide is showing up off their coasts.  Schools of dead fish, or dead dolphins, or dead whales washing up on their sandy shores are also an extremely undesirable image.  Especially when property values can plummet were the true condition of the waters to be publicized.

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Not Only Pathogenic Bacteria Like Vibrio, Red Tide Also Proliferates In Polluted GOM

Vibrio is only one of numerous pathogenic micro-organisms which will proliferate in such a conducive environment as the GOM.  There are many others, such as Alexandrium fundyense (the algae that causes Red tide), which also seek out an imbalanced aquatic environment in which to thrive.  Over time there is expected to be a steady rise in the incidence of these and other water borne pathogens and ailments which originate in a degraded GOM.

Red tide has been visiting the Gulf Coast for many years now, except that the outbreaks have become increasingly more severe and affecting larger areas.  Emergency room visits have seen a marked increase during full blown Red tide blooms.  So have schools of fish and manatees and other marine life seen a considerable uptick in their mass killings by Red tide.  The released toxins during a Red tide event are especially deadly to many kinds of fish.

Red Tide blamed for large fish kill in northeast Gulf of Mexico

Florida sees record 803 manatee deaths; red tide blamed

Here’s what the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) has to say about Red tide, also known as harmful algal blooms, or HABs.

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The Gulf of Mexico has a bioterrain, too!  

What NOAA will not tell you about Red tide is that there are circumstances beyond certain environmental conditions which encourage this highly toxic algae to bloom.  Just like the human bioterrain, when the intestinal flora becomes imbalanced, the opportunistic candida albicans fungus will colonize within the GI tract and overtake the eugenic bacteria required for proper digestion and absorption of nutrients.  If allowed to persist without proper intervention, systemic candidiasis can result, which can ultimately give rise to a pre-cancerous condition in the various target organs and tissues weakened by the pathogenic, mutated candida.

Likewise, when the GOM’s normal balance of both eugenic and pathogenic micro-organisms is thrown off, a similar set of circumstances can result.  Dangerous invasions of flesh-eating bacteria, toxic algae blooms and other health-compromising, microscopic inhabitants will likewise proliferate.  The more polluted the waters, the higher the frequency of their appearance, especially closer to shore because of the warmer waters which prevail there; where it’s shallow, the sun reflects off the sea bottom and warms the waters.

Of course, this is exactly where much of the swimming, water sports, fishing and other GOM activities take place.  The bayous and lagoons, bays and estuaries, wetlands and swamps often function as traps for much of the pollution which is systematically produced within and/or dumped into the GOM.  Because the normal circulation of these areas can be significantly limited at times (such as when the Loop Current stalls), they create an opportunity for the many toxic chemicals, hydrocarbon contaminants, industrial pollutants, and poisonous dispersants to both aggregate and densify.  In so doing, they eventually create an hospitable environment for pathogenic micro-organisms to propagate and flourish.

Nothing demonstrates this concept better than the existence of multiple dead zones throughout the GOM.  The following map delineates only those dead zone areas south of the Mississippi River, which have been the site of intensive oil and gas drilling since the early 1930s.  Were the entire Gulf of Mexico to be similarly mapped out, the resulting dead zones would be shown to be growing in both numbers and size, particularly over the past many years that deep sea oil drilling has been intensifying.

Dead zone pollutant grows despite decades of work

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Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico south of Louisiana coastline


Radioactive Component Of Hydrocarbon Effluent and Refinement Process

The following excerpt provides a cursory explanation of the radioactive components associated with both the oil and gas extraction process in deep wells, as well as the oil and gas refinement process.  This is the real untold story of the Hydrocarbon Fuel Paradigm, and why it is so fatally flawed.  If the community of nations properly responded to this weighty matter alone, they would have begun the process of systematically transitioning the world away from the Hydrocarbon Fuel Paradigm.

If the reader pays attention to nothing else in this essay, be advised that pervasive ionizing radiation disseminated by oil and gas extraction operations worldwide is the most critical issue that must be addressed.  The very sustainability of life on Planet Earth depends upon it, especially the deeper the oil wells are drilled in desperation of finding the next motherlode of hydrocarbon reserves.  As follows:

“The deeper the geological source of the hydrocarbons, the more radioactive isotopes present in the oil and gas.

That hydrocarbons pulled from the bowels of the earth have a scientifically verified radioactive component(s) is the dirty little secret of the Oil & Gas Industry. So secret in fact that, if it were to get out, this single scientific fact would seal the fate of the entire industry. It also undergirds the correct understanding that oil and gas are both abiotic in nature and abiogenic in origin – facts which cast a refreshing light on the notion of Peak Oil.
Yes, we have reached Peak Oil, but not because of the untenable Fossil Fuel Theory which has been known to be false by the Oil and Gas Industry since its inception. It has been asserted that the Macondo Prospect sits on a reservoir of abiotic oil the size of Mount Everest, one of the two largest batholiths with proven oil and gas mega-reserves in the GOM. However, that doesn’t make it economically feasible or technologically prudent to extract; nor is it smart to engage in such utter folly, as the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon dramatically demonstrated.

Mantle-generated hydrocarbons come from very young geological formations deep in the earth, and are the product of extremely powerful geo-thermal forces. The presence of radioactive isotopes such as uranium, thorium, radium show up in much greater concentrations the deeper the well bore is drilled into the earth’s crust, and are ubiquitous throughout the mantle. Therefore, the hydrocarbon constituents, which are actually found in the interstitial spaces, porous rock formations and quaternary sediments and are scattered everywhere because of their liquid and gaseous states, exist within and around this highly radioactive environment.
How radioactive is the hydrocarbon effluent upsurging from the wells in the GOM that are drilled at 12, 15, 18, 20, 25 or 30,000 feet through the crust and into the mantle? Here’s a link to the American Petroleum Institute website that will partially answer this question:
Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material (NORMin North American Oilfields

Here’s another link to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency website page entitled Radiation Protection that shows just how serious this matter has become from an environmental health standpoint.

Oil and Gas Production Wastes (Naturally-Occurring Radioactive Materials identified by the EPA)

Whenever there is a higher concentration of methane gas in the mix of oil/gas that comes out of any given well, it means that:

“The more methane that is present reflects the amount of Uranium and Thorium in the oil reserve. The deeper the oil, the younger the radiological decay is that produces helium.”
“Helium is a naturally occurring gas formed in oil reserves. So common that helium detectors have been used to discover oil reserves. Helium is an inert gas known to be a by-product from the radiological decay of uranium and thorium. Uranium and Thorium are known to be in great quantities at greater depths. Yes, radioactive elements occur naturally and can be found and detected in smaller amounts in shallow oil reserves. Oil reserves that do not produce large amounts of methane also lack uranium and thorium. The presence of methane is proportional to the presence of uranium and thorium, both radioactive elements.”

“The energy coming from uranium and thorium decay is thought to be the most significant energy source inside the earth,” Tolich said. “So this is the driving engine for things such as tectonic plate movements, volcanoes and earthquake. We are looking for neutrinos, particularly electron antineutrinos … coming from uranium and thorium decay inside the earth. The uranium and thorium is distributed all through the earth in the mantle.” (Per “URGENT: Radioactive Oil From BP Blowout“)

Uranium, thorium neutrino research could determine Earth’s age, energy production

From our many discussions with those knowledgeable at the OSATF (Oil Spill Academic Task Force) in Tallahassee, FL, it became evident early on in the spill that the percentage of methane of the total hydrocarbon composition was quite high. Some observed that it appeared to very slowly decrease, yet remained high right up until the capping of the gusher. Hence, we know that this oil spill in the GOM has a very definite radioactive component which must be addressed.”[1]

Oil rig fires like the Macondo explosion can disseminate airborne radioactive particles depending on the source of the hydrocarbons.

Oil rig fires like the Macondo explosion can disseminate airborne radioactive particles depending on the source of the hydrocarbons.

Conclusion:

The basic story is that the Gulf of Mexico is slowly dying.  How and why it is dying is not a narrative the EPA, CDC, US Coast Guard or NIH is ever likely to publish.  Taken to the next level of understanding, it becomes quite obvious that the predominant environmental profile of the geographic location in which we live will always be reflected by our own individual bioterrain (environmental profile).  If an individual lives near Fukushima for any length of time, then radiation will show up in their body.  If they work and play downwind from a biomass incinerator, those airborne contaminants will in time accumulate in his or her body.

Likewise, the GOM has its own environmental profile which affects all who live near it, work in or on it, as well as eat the catch from its waters.  Even those who live at a distance can be affected by the GOM’s chemical profile to the extent that the regional hydrological cycle brings moisture and chemicals (remember Acid Rain) from the GOM over their homes and businesses.  The massive spraying of Corexit throughout the Gulf has only exacerbated this situation to the extent that such dispersants are still permitted to ‘disappear’ both new and old oil spills.

Although the first responsibility of government is to safeguard and protect the citizenry, this rarely happens in contemporary society.  Because of the overwhelming power and influence that Corporate America now exerts at very level of government, corporate profits and income lines almost always trump human health concerns and environmental protection[2].  Similarly, the shareholders’ interests, even when in a distant land, often take precedence over the welfare of the local communities which are deeply affected by environmentally-destructive corporate behavior.

In closing, it is indisputable that the Gulf of Mexico will continue to absorb a toxic burden well beyond its capacity to effectively process.  As the dead zones enlarge and start to merge with each other, perhaps the people who depend on this great body of water will reach a breaking point.  Only when there is a sufficient level of collective intolerance will the forces, and resources, become available to start taking back our Gulf.  Then, we might return to a time when the GOM looked like this:

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Submitted by:
Gulf Oil Spill Remediation Cyber-Conference
International Citizens’ Initiative
July 27, 2014

Author’s Note:

Of all the major co-factors contributing to the slow motion demise of the Gulf of Mexico, none is so easily removed from this progressively worsening scenario as the wanton and indiscriminate spraying of the dangerous dispersant Corexit.  The continuing use of this noxious chemical has only made a bad situation much worse.  In addition to sinking the oil that it is designed to disperse, Corexit converts the oil into a much more toxic form.

The oil dispersal process also micronizes the Corext-laden byproduct so that it is impossible to see and very difficult detect, making it resistant to the traditional methods of gathering the oil for other types of disposal.  This “out of sight, out of mind” approach is an essential part of the BP Advertising Campaign[3] that appears on virtually every website on the internet, which is even remotely connected to the Gulf oil spill or the GOM.  In this regard BP’s actual response to their 2010 oil spill has been all form and very little substance, except the oily kind.

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As a glaring testimony to this hapless reality, both BP and the EPA have been repeatedly made aware of a non-toxic, environmentally safe, cost-effective bioremediation agent known as OSEII.  This hydrocarbon remediation agent has been proven effective on a broad range of oil spills throughout the world and is fast replacing the dispersant class of treatments.  Nations near and far have been outlawing the application of dispersants since the BP Gulf Oil Spill and now eagerly replacing it with bioremediation agents such as OSEII.

That the EPA, NOAA, US Coast Guard, and the Department of Interior would permit the reflexive use of such a harmful dispersant like Corexit when far superior alternatives exist — which have been NCP-listed —  defies common sense.  It also violates the EPA’s charter, most basic regulations and stated policies.  Clearly, it is well past the time that EPA administrators ought to be held personally responsible for breaking the laws which govern the environmental protection of US territorial waters.

Lastly, the Gulf Oil Spill Remediation Cyber-Conference would ask each and every reader to watch the following video. This very impressive presentation provides an actual demonstration of OSEII being used to clean up some shoreline oil. The broad dissemination of such an effective use of a bioremediation agent, being successfully utilized by nations around the globe, might just compel the US Federal Government to reconsider their misguided and environmentally unsound oil spill response plan.

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Endnotes:

[1] The Gulf of Mexico is Dying: A Special Report On The BP Gulf Oil Spill

[2] Environmental and Health Impacts of the BP Gulf Oil Spill

[3] The BP Gulf Oil Spill Info Blackout And Data Lockdown

Resources:

Drilling Fluids and Heath Risk Management — a guide for drilling personnel, managers and health professionals in the oil and gas industry
(See “Appendix 11: Potential health effects that may result from exposure to certain components of drilling fluids”)

Change Oil Spill Response Now!

References:

The BP Gulf Oil Spill Continues To Sicken People Along The GOM

In-Depth: The Gulf Is Still Sick

BP oil spill dispersants still in environment

Warm Water Sparks Flesh-Eating Disease Warning in Florida

VIBRIO VULNIFICUS: Flesh-eating ocean bacteria hospitalizes 32, kills 10 in Florida

Flesh-eating Bacteria: Coastal Scourge (Vibrio vulnificus) is Lurking in the Estuaries

FWC News Release: Red tide causes large fish kill in northeast Gulf of Mexico

As Summer Officially Begins, A 1,250-Pound Tar Mat Discovered Off Florida Beach

Will Bacterial Plague Follow Crude Oil Spill Along Gulf Coast?

Deadly Bacteria Lurk in Deepwater Horizon Tar Balls

Woman loses leg after Gulf swim

Two Baldwin Co. Cases of Flesh Eating Bacteria

St. Johns River tests positive for flesh-eating bacteria

A bacteria that causes illnesses found in Indian River Lagoon

7 cases of flesh-eating bacteria reported so far this year in Miss.

Ocean Springs man dies from flesh eating bacteria

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Michael Thomas is a contributing writer to Storyleak and Editor of the State of the Nation website, where he offers analysis on geopolitical events.

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  1. Roger says:

    I read the article, and kind of question a few of the premises.

    Oil leaks onto the ocean floor as a natural process. Oil is decomposed matter that was natural to the earth to begin with. So, is it the man made dispersants and are the problem?

  2. guest says:

    Back to Instant Debate church?

  3. Mr.Lincoln says:

    Oil Spill Timeline Video Highlights Obama’s Incompetence 7/15/2010

    A new video produced by RightChange highlights the reckless incompetence of Obama’s lack of leadership and effective response to the BP oil spill disaster. Using images, video clips, and information about Obama’s activities in the 70 days since the BP Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank in the Gulf of Mexico. The video timeline is a powerful condemnation of Obama’s inability to act as President, deal with reality, and help with this massive crisis.
    http://conservativedatingsite.com/blog/2010/07/oi

    • Alinsky Hero USA says:

      Does it mention the deregulation by the conservatives that caused the problem, or the Halliburton violations that caused the explosion?

      Or does it just try to blame Obama for everything?

      • Mr.Lincoln says:

        View it, and then reply. It works better this way!

        • Alinsky Hero USA says:

          I viewed it. Turns out I was right, just lies and propaganda.

          Do you want me to take you step by step through every lie, or do you want to watch it again yourself and reconsider the crap you post?

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            It is very real and true, and you do not like the source and I get that. It is true however he was busy golfing and dancing and Mooch Eating everything in sight. You animal you!

            July 4, 2014 VIDEO: Hope And Change – Animal Style

            Obama had his brand of hope and change. Now, lets try it animal style.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Lncal_EbI#t=19

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Actually , none of it is true.

          • Roger says:

            Or it is, but you just don't want to admit it.

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            What a kool-aid server and drinker! I actually thought you MIGHT be different then most Obamatrons, but it appears I was wrong!

            Aug 21, 2012 Chain of Fools – Liberal FoolsA collection of news clips, photos, and interviews pieced together and edited; featuring a background soundtrack of sound bites from Aretha Franklin's epic song, "Chain of Fools."
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34vecSRFeg

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Lincoln, you don't have a firm grip of reality. And you believe BS because it appeals to your bitter emotions.

            When I point out facts, you draw ass pictures. You need to wake up.

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            The only one emotional is you. I use reason and facts, and now I know you are nothing but a cheerleader who never got picked in government schools!

            Bless Your Heart
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDA4LTm0s78

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            No, you only use emotion. Your facts and reasoning are wrong.

            Stop posting lies.

          • Roger says:

            He's not the one lying.
            He lays out logical thinking with sources and links.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            We are not talking about cock Roger.

          • Roger says:

            Good then maybe you'll lose interest and go away.

            I'm not interested and your comment is consistent with a deviant sexual stalker.

            He lays out his positions without the race card, personal insults and with sources and links. When you manage to do the same, then pretend to be morally equivalent.

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            Here is more on your deathbed care!

            Jul 29, 2014 ObamaCare Deception – Subsidies Only At State Exchanges

            Obamacare architect, Jonathan Gruber, lies about Obamacare, claiming that it was a typo that limited subsidies to state
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uABwm_XwYvw

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Notice Lincoln had to pivot immediately away from his propaganda post about the oil spill, as soon as he is challenged.

            Now he is posting some different propaganda about Obamacare, even though Obanamacare has already proven to be the best thing to happen to our country since Social Security , which he lives on.

            He's a bit senile.

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." James Madison

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

            Abraham Lincoln

          • Roger says:

            You don't seem to be fooling anyone any of the time.

          • Roger says:

            Notice you had to pivot away from the pretenses that you were just an outraged Occupy kind of protester into a hard core liberal hack.

            You're a bit 'troll' and not a very good one.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            HA! "You only use emotion"

            Says the Alinsky lover. Agitator!

          • Roger says:

            It's all he has.

            He uses Alinsky's name for a reason.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            uh oh, here comes a racist to tell us about logic and facts.

          • Roger says:

            How did I know you were going to try that one?

            You care about skin color, that by definition makes you a racist.

          • trustfunded says:

            You sure have some strange definitions for what a racist is.

            "Pay attention, treating someone different based on sex is racist."

          • Roger says:

            You sure have some strange definitions of what contributing to a discussion is.

            So, what's your quota of spam today?

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Who is the racist? Are you talking about LBJ? Even MSNBC thinks he was a racist!
            http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-r

            Couple that story with this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms

            You can use the FACTS to LOGICALLY conclude that LBJ was just passing the Civil Rights Act to get the African American votes. Simple politician. Granted the act did do some wonderful things, but it wasn’t done because LBJ cared about black people. So who is the racist? Me or LBJ?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You are the racist Mr. Liberty.

            And everybody knows LBJ was racist, Martin Luther King forced him to pass that law.

            Why are we talking about LBJ, just to distract from your racist BS?

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

          • Roger says:

            It's all he has.
            The worn out race card.

            And the sad thing is, he's the one hung up on skin color.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            BS last time we debated about LBJ you called him a hero!

            You know that feeling you got in your gut right now Alinsky? The feeling of almost being sick or really nervous?? That is the feeling of being proven wrong! Embrace it! Learn from it! Don’t run from it, this is an opportunity to grow!

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Proven wrong about what?

            Why are we talking about LBJ?

            You can't distract from your blatant racism with LBJ BS. POS racist.

          • Roger says:

            You still hung up on skin color?

            And he's been batting you around like a cat with a lizard.

            You just don't get it, your talking points fall flat every single time.

          • trustfunded says:

            " You still hung……"

            This isn't the site for that kind of talk.

          • Roger says:

            Good, and it's something the posse needs to remember. You might also want to remember this isn't a site for a bunch of spam.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            I’m am showing what a real racist is so you won't misuse the word anymore.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            How are you different than LBJ?

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            1. I don't think anyone is below me. Regardless of skin color, religion, sexual orientation.

            2. I don't use people and play off of their emotions to achieve political/personal gains.

            3. I don't start BS wars. Tonkin was a false flag.

            4. I don't like putting snakes in the back of my car to scare black people like LBJ did.

            5. More?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            1. Yes you do.

            2. Yes you do.

            3. You voted for Cheney/Bush. Yes you do.

            4. Yes you do. A tea party flag.

            5. Yes more. I surprised you didn't say you didn't kill JFK, you conspiracy theorist POS.

          • Roger says:

            No, he's not the one that does that.

            Want to use that race card again? It seems worn out pretty badly….

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Hahaha good comeback bro, you are like the smartest person I have ever met. You ideas are so original and well thought out. Gosh I wish I could be as smart as you, you must have an IQ of 6, that’s good right??

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Wasn't a comeback, I am just telling the truth.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Riiiighhhht lol

            WTF do you do for a living anyways? Are you a teacher? I pray to God you aren’t.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I work with the beef distribution industry, making sure there are no lunatic racist POS conspiracy f u cks hired.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            LOL well you failed at your so called agenda. I don't think your cut out for the beef business. Liar. You seem more like a writer, fiction probably.

          • Roger says:

            He doesn't seem to realize that if marxism finally seizes America his beef industry would die.

            They don't like feeding people very well.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Why are racists suddenly wondering what I do?

          • Roger says:

            Why do you suddenly get to call everyone but yourself a racist when it's you that keeps bringing up skin color?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I am giving you attention Roger, are you grabbing your cock, you sick f u ck?

            You really begged for it hard today.

          • Roger says:

            Still the deviant sexual stalker?

            I'm not interested.

          • Roger says:

            I hate to point out the obvious, but they did hire you.

            And you do seem to have the strangest ideas about a lot of things.

          • Iremember says:

            Oops dere it iz!

            Apparently Zebrano spanked the Rog again yesterday.

            zebrano 107p · 20 hours ago
            Mr. Roger, my comment was about "now".
            There is a big difference between "now" and "then".
            Everybody knows about the violence of radical Islam, its history and its intent.
            I'm a subscriber of Israeli daily news and keep current of events.
            I do not engage in lengthy confrontations like you do 24/7 on other sites. One needs to go on your page and see what you are doing.
            Have a nice day.
            Reply

            (end comment)

            Mr. Roger.

            Now why didn't i think of that………?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Is Roger STILL stalking Zeb?

            If has a whole website devoted to him on bitchspot, why doesn't he go over there? It looks dead, ZERO action.

          • Roger says:

            You two sure do pretend a lot of things.

            And can't you pretend that the posse is capable of discussing the stories?

            You could always go to speak out and… nope you were banned.

          • Iremember says:

            Make up your mind Scooter.
            Is there two of us pretending to be one? Or one of us pretending to be many?

          • Roger says:

            Scooter you really need to use another fake name if you can't pretend to remember.

          • Iremember says:

            He never stopped stalking him.
            Rogelio is really conflicted now. He can't give Zebrano all his quality stalking time now that he has to juggle it between you, and Wee and Poof.

            He is like a professional Gigolo, juggling a half dozen women……..

          • Roger says:

            Still spamming the site hoping to diminish it?
            The posse needs to give it up. This site is still going forward in spite of you.

          • guest says:

            ROGER killed the bitch

          • guest says:

            He still stalks zeb, priority one 24/7

          • guest says:

            Saw that, hillerious

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Prove it :) Talk a big talk, lets see the walk kid.

          • Roger says:

            It's about time for him to drag out his race card.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Prove what, racist?

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            That Lincoln's video is incorrect, false, propaganda.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Do you believe the video?

          • Roger says:

            Why can't you prove it wrong, if it is wrong?

            Talking points don't go that far?

          • Mr.Lincoln says:

            You have to know something before anybody can refute anything. 'Alinsky Zero USA' , cannot and only plays little games as if she were in a sandbox and of that age!

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I know much more than you Lincoln.

            You go on fridge propaganda websites and come here and repeat the garbage hoping others will think you are smart or insightful.

            You are a snake oil salesman, nothing more.

          • Roger says:

            You don't seem to.
            You don't seem to even care that you don't.

            Making claims isn't the same as actually knowing things.
            You advocate for flawed ideologies. Marxism always fails and has not generated a single utopia.

            I'd point to the killing fields in Cambodia as the end game for communism taken to it's extreme.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Well, you don't have to beg for my cock anymore Roger. Wee is on line.

            Go, Roger, go get that cock in your mouth.

          • Roger says:

            Your fantasies don't match reality, and your comments show you to be consistently out of touch with one fact.

            I'm not interested.

            You do realize you're acting like a deviant sexual stalker?

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Says the guy who watches MSNBC! lol
            http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-rat

            I'd say they are pretty fringe. Jones even has more viewers than MadCow too.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You stupid conservative /Libertarian f u cks still go n\by T.V rating?

            Nobody get higher ratings than TYT. Not Fox, Not, not Alex Jones, nobody.

            You are using Rovian tactic again. POS propaganda.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            LOL yeah right. TYT does not have a larger audience than Fox. I'd rather watch TYT but there is no way more people watch them than the Right arm of the globalists.

          • Roger says:

            Facts are not his friends.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            There's no way to know WTF you mean by the right arm of the globalists, because it's just a made up group you use to spread conspiracy theories.

          • Roger says:

            He's pretty good at explaining his positions.

            If you can't keep up, this may not be the forum for you.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            The only position you want him to explain is doggystye.

          • Mr. Liberty says:

            Wow you really are lame. It's not some secret group, the Right arm of the globalists is the RINOs, neo Cons, etc that are located on the MSM Fox BS news.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You are f u cking off your rocker. You have to make up this crap to feed your own failed ideas about the world.

          • Roger says:

            I could make the same claim about you.

            But if I did I'd try to explain why. You don't.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I think Cephus is waiting for you.

            No one has commented on his site all day.

          • Roger says:

            I think that Cephus can relax knowing if there is a comment, it won't be from you.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Not one comment on his site. Throw him a bone so he doesn't think about how he f u cked up.

          • Roger says:

            Why don't you call my attorney and suggest it to him?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You attoney must be desperate for phone calls.

            If his phone isn't ringing, then you know that's me.

          • Roger says:

            You must be terrified of talking to my attorney.

            I dont' blame you.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Your attorney is a real man, not like you.

          • Roger says:

            He's real.

            And that terrifies you. Are you sure you're employed in the beef distribution instead of turkey processing?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Your attorney has sex with women, not, not like you.

          • Roger says:

            You still post as if you are a deviant sexual stalker.

            I'm not interested and I do not discuss anything of a personal nature with a freak such as yourself.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Why can't you be a real man like your attorney?

          • Roger says:

            Why can't you sound like a sane reasonable person like he does?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            When he talks to you sanely, in his deep voice, do you just love being so close to a real man that will protect you. Doesn't he make you feel so safe and loved?

          • Roger says:

            So you are becoming enthralled with him too?

            Call him and explain it to him if you dare.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            So you admit you are enthralled by him, you gay f u ck.

          • Roger says:

            So, you pretend hats that I said?

            I'm not interested and why don't you call the attorney and see what he says about it?

          • Iremember says:

            Roger is done posting at Cephus site.

            Wee is gone, and Rogelio is broken hearted.

            Cephus will be left, to post his words of wisdom to himself, and laugh at his own wit.

          • Roger says:

            Alinsky, your fantasies and reality are not the same things.

            And I'm not interested.

          • guest says:

            If Roger had his own site, Instant depate would close.

          • Roger says:

            If you had your own site the posse would all go and spam the place to make sure no adults with things to discuss would feel wanted.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            And if you had your own site, that would be one more gay site.

          • Roger says:

            Your fantasies don't match up with reality.

            And I'm not interested.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Then why do you as\ct so gay?

          • Roger says:

            Why is that a fantasy of yours?

            I'm not interested and you post comments that would come from a deviant sexual stalker.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I'm not the only person that says you are gay.

            Why is that?

          • Roger says:

            The voices in your head all agree with you? How sad.

            You still sound like a deviant sexual stalker.

            I'm not interested.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Everyone says you are gay.

          • Roger says:

            Did you take a vote from the voices in your head?

            And it's really not something I'd discuss with someone that posts comments a deviant sexual stalker would make.

            I'm not interested.

          • Guest says:

            Cephus is even apologizing to himself, because nobody is posting at his site.

            My Apologies
            Comments (0)
            July 29, 2014
            by Cephus

            Google-Analytics-IconReal quick, found out that the Google Analytics plugin, which updated today, totally blows WordPress sites offline. I didn’t realize this until the site had been offline for several hours until I noticed hardly anyone had been on the site all day! I deactivated the plugin and things appear to be back to normal. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.

            Edit: They have since put out an update that fixed the problem, apparently this was very widespread, I have seen tons of complaints about it. I wish they’d test things before they put them out!

          • Roger says:

            Still upset you were tossed?

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            HAHAHAHAHHA!!

          • Roger says:

            Rejection, you don't deal with it well.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Are you still trying to give gifts to Wee?

            First you wanted to book him a hotel room.

            Then you wanted to have dinner with him on the Strip.

            Now you are offering him gifts.

            How are you not a gayest sexual stalker on the internet. And why aren't you in jail for harassing him and his family and children?

          • Roger says:

            Making up things shows you are delusional.

            Sticking with them shows you enjoy being delusional.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You offered him a gift yesterday, just like a girl offers a gift to a guy.

            You should be in jail.

          • Roger says:

            Still pretending?

            Still sounding like a deviant sexual stalker?

            I'm not interested.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            I'm not lying. You offered him a gift. Why is a guy offering another guy a gift over the internet?

            The same guy that watches Stardust and reads books for teen girls thinking about hot teen guys?

          • Roger says:

            Do you realize you sound like a jilted love interest?

            You never were a love interest, he was never a love interest.

            You sound like a deviant sexual stalker and I'm not interested.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            Then why are you offering him gifts?

            Why do you want to be so intimate with him?

          • Roger says:

            Why do you pretend I do?

            And it's none of your concern, I'm not interested.

          • Alinsky Hero USA says:

            You are pretending you didn't But you did.

          • Roger says:

            I'm not inerested, you need to underststand no means no.

  4. WTE says:

    I love how everyone is ignoring roger on this thread yet he continues to troll it like the annoying dog he is

    • Roger says:

      Still posting and spamming, but now under an anonymous guest profile so you can do it under the radar screen?

      Don't tell me you're just a coward!

  5. marymargaretmccurnin says:

    "No problem can be solved from the level of thinking that brought it about."

    Einstein

    I hate BP. I hate Obama more. He let BP clean up (cover up) their own mess.

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